You’re Meditating The Wrong Way: Why Does The Inner Dialogue Need To Be Killed?

Can meditation increase your lucid ability if you’re doing it wrong?

I think a lot of people are doing it wrong and I don’t want it to be you.

Meditation is hard to understand when starting out because how can anyone really know if they’re doing it right? Someone can tell you what to feel, but if you say you’re doing it right then how can anyone tell you otherwise?

I think there’s a difference between meditation for lucid dreaming and regular meditation…

I was asked a question

I was speaking to a member of the LA family, Barclay Lucid, and he asked my a very important question. One that made me realize the words I write don’t necessarily sink into your head in the way I want them to. He asked:

Why does the inner dialogue need to be killed?

I’m starting by telling you I wasn’t brought up in a Tibetan temple and I’ve only got a bald head because I didn’t age well. I learned meditation by myself and I don’t really care about meditation as a whole, not on Lucid Ability anyway, but only how it helps improve your lucid dreaming skills.

Why you’re doing it wrong

I don’t know why, but when 75% of people talk about meditation I just get the feeling they’re doing it wrong. I can’t feel what they feel so I wouldn’t bet my house on it (forget the fact I don’t own a house), but I just know.

I think they sit and think about what they’re going to have for dinner that night. They don’t meditate, but because they are sitting cross-legged and not speaking to anyone they think it’s meditation — it’s not.

Even the people who are meditating the right way aren’t doing it right. They aren’t going deep enough, which is the basis of that question, “Why does the inner dialogue need to be killed?”

My meditation story can help you

When I started meditation it was hard. In the beginning it never really helped my lucid ability. I’m sure it helped in ways that weren’t obvious, but it didn’t cause me to spontaneously become lucid inside a dream.

Spontaneously become lucid inside a dream: isn’t that what we all want?

The only reason I kept digging deeper is because I knew there was something magical there. I found something magical happened to my lucid ability when I crossed a certain point.

This takes hard work and a lot of effort, but once you’re there it’s easy.

The weird explanation

I’m going to make this easier to understand. I was speaking to someone a while ago and I remember he mentioned something that stuck in my mind — sand — so I had the Lucid Ability Head of Design come up with this picture.

Imagine there’s a line drawn in the sand.

You can be meditating at either side of the line.

On the wrong side of the line you are meditating, but it won’t do anything special for your lucid ability.

On the right side of the line you are meditating more deeply and it will do something special for your lucid ability.

I determined (or completely made up) that when the voices get cancelled out, that’s when you cross the line onto the right side. The side where the magic happens and you get 5 golden/orange stars.

Further down the rabbit hole

I had great results from this in more ways than one. If you read my article on why meditation is the best lucid dreaming technique in the world you’ll see a few reasons why.

But the biggest results, and probably too many lucid dreams that it was a coincidence, came when I took meditation even further. When I discovered that once inside a meditative trance you could increase your awareness and alter your internal sensations using the power of thought.

I won’t go into it now, but it will increase your lucid ability even more and you can read about the lucid trance here.

Just start already

If you’re serious about lucid dreaming I highly recommend you begin today. It’s a long and bumpy road, but I’m giving you the little crumbs and you just need to follow the trail. It won’t happen overnight, but nothing great does and that unfortunately includes waking up inside your dreams.

The most basic of the basic starter techniques for meditation can be found here. Start working on it today and more advanced techniques will follow.

In the next article I’m going to explain in more detail what the inner voice actually is and how you know when it’s gone.

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  1. Barclay Lucid says

    Another heavy duty article that makes me want to persist in my meditation implementing your techniques as outlined in other articles. The Lucid Trance is a powerful tool. I love the graphic!

    Oh, my dream recall is exploding just reading your articles and a couple of books on the subject. Immersion is a powerful adjunct to the big keys that you’ve delineated: memory and awareness.

    • says

      Hey Barclay,

      Yeah, immersion is definitely a big factor. I’m glad your seeing good stuff happening with the dream recall. I’ll tell the LA Head of Design you enjoyed the graphic lol :)

  2. cryzed says

    Hey there, just dropping by to let you know that I actually saw instant results. I sometimes meditate a bit when I can’t get to sleep, which happens regularly, and thus might have a slight edge over total beginners, but when I tried actually meditating yesterday I saw instant results.

    I woke up multiple times during the night, always remembered what I dreamed (but was unfortunately too lazy to note it down somewhere) and even remember once becoming lucid just like that, I was literally thinking: “this somehow feels like a dream, I’ll do a reality check” — and what do you know?, it was. Unfortunately I quickly “lost” the dream, meaning the visual aspect of the dream deteriorated quickly and I ended up staring at the back of my eyelids, maybe I was too excited, I am still unsure as of yet.

    Something I noticed is that when you try to meditate before going to sleep and are really somewhat tired, hypnagogic imagery and the like can and will pop up, and focusing your thoughts will get harder and harder. I actually believe though that this is a good way to train to stay aware and to meditate with focus on lucid dreaming in general, this way you can actively train to reshift your focus and find back from the hazy path that your mind has taken — I think this ability plays a big part in being able to have a clear mind in your dreams, the clear mind that allows you to recognize it as such.

    Thanks for your continued efforts Jamie, my flames are rekindled and I will keep meditating and keep you up-to-date on my progress.

    • says

      Wow, that’s amazing.

      Instant results are the kind I love lol. I think meditating before bed is definitely a great way to produce results. If you ever have hypnagogic imagery when you’re trying to meditate you should just stop and shift your awareness onto the imagery, then hopefully you can go into a lucid dream straight away.

      Definitely let me know how you’re progressing, I’d love to know.

  3. says

    I liked this post, but I’m not sure I agree with your suggestion that there is a right and wrong way to meditate. I lived and studied at a Zen monastery for 2 years and we were regularly admonished not to evaluate our meditation. The reason behind this thinking is evaluating meditation is just another form of thinking. In addition, one perspective on meditation is that the primary purpose is not to silence the voices in the mind, but to allow them to flow through. In Zen Buddhism we are taught that the purpose of meditation is to see the truth directly. It’s not that stilling the mind is bad, but the judging good and bad just creates more separation. Personally I’ve found that the ability to see what the mind is up to without reacting make meditation a useful tool even when I can’t silence the mind. I’d be curious to know your thoughts on this perspective on meditation.

    • says

      Hey Gentoku,

      Thank you very much for dropping by and leaving a comment. I really appreciate it. In regards to meditation, I completely understand what you’re saying and evaluating it isn’t the Buddhist way.

      But for the purpose of my article I’m merely trying to get the maximum out of meditation (or let’s call it trance work) so it benefits peoples lucid dreaming. I could tell people not to worry about how the feel, but then it just wouldn’t help them with lucidity and the article wouldn’t work.

      I do and will try to use the term ‘trance work’ instead of meditation so I don’t upset people when I butcher it a little for the purposes of lucid dreaming.

      Thank you

  4. Aurora says

    Just a quick note. I saw your piece on lucid dreaming on the Tiny Buddha site and remembered the bit about looking at your hands several times during the day and asking yourself whether you are dreaming or not. OK, for the last two nights I have dreamed about my hands. The first time, I was wondering where they were, but at least they came up in my dream. Last night when I was dreaming I focused on my hands. They were the magic button, as it were, to being able to fly. Several times during the dream I focused on my hands and soared like a bird. At one point in the dream I was way up in the sky and there was a video-screen in front of me which projected jewels and colours. That’s the best way to describe it. The rest of the dream did not seem to be under my control but after only two nights I am impressed.

  5. says

    Wow Jamie,

    Your passion for lucid dreaming really shines through all of your articles! Since you are mentioning that you mainly use meditation in order to perfect your lucid dreaming, I was wondering whether you look at lucid dreaming mainly as a hobby, or you also use it to achieve certain goals in your daily life – you’ve mentioned in your article Future of Lucid Dreaming that it will enable people to overcome disorders, learn news skills, etc. and I completely agree with that (I actually think it already does)! If the latter applies, meditation not only helps to lucid dream, but by massively increasing your awareness, it helps to enable you do all these things and actually use the dream to re-program your brain and life. Just my 5 cents :)

    • says

      Hey Ashton,

      I think lucid dreaming and meditation are one in the same. They both occur at a higher level of consciousness. Meditation is the stepping stone into a lucid dream, but you will be completely aware during both.

      I also think we will start using our dreams to reprogram our lives when lucid dreaming eventually becomes mainstream. I hope I’m still alive when it happens. In the mean time it will just be people like us using it for both fun and changing our lives.

      I’m actually shocked it’s not the most popular thing in the world already. It really does blow my mind, but that’s why I’ll keep promoting it until it’s mainstream and everyone else who loves lucid dreaming will too.

  6. Jose Fernandez says

    There is no wrong way to meditate. It is based on the individual and not what the status quo considers to be required.

    • says

      Hey Jose,

      If we’re talking about meditation in general you could be right depending on how you look at it, but if you’re planning to use it to become lucid I’d recommend learning how to go a lot deeper than you normally would.

      When I talk about meditation on the site it’s only in relation to lucid dreaming.

      Thanks for dropping by and leaving a comment. The only reason I feel strongly about this is because I want you to see results, so I’d hate to think you or anyone else wouldn’t go deep enough.

  7. Evan says

    Hi Jamie,

    After reading a few of your articles I really understood how trance was important to earn awareness, which I really need! Thank you for that!
    I can recall most of my dreams, and had by luck one lucid dream yet, but never happened again for weeks now..
    So I decided to start meditating to improve that awareness and help me making WILD easier. The hardest thing is definitely to shut the voices popping in constantly! Even when I want to focus again on my breathing, a voice says like “OK focus again on your breating” in my head! Or same thing if I try to “visualize’ things about the breathing, like I had to make comments about it… I barely manage to do 3 inhales-exhales without having a thought.
    As a musician, playing or listening to music generally makes my mind silent in wake life, so would you agree if I using a quiet relaxation music can help me shutting the inner voice, without preventing me to enter trance?


    • says

      Hey Evan,

      Thank you for your comment.

      “a voice says like “OK focus again on your breating””

      Haha I know exactly what you mean. At least you can recognize the voices because some people wouldn’t be aware of them. It’s also harder when you specifically try to shut them off because they fight back.

      As for the music, I’m not too sure. I’ve used iso tones to get into the trance state, but I’ve not used them to pass into a lucid dream. I just used them to increase my awareness before I went to sleep so I could become lucid spontaneously during the night.

      I’d definitely test it out, especially because you’re a skilled musician who is used to it. I’ve also got a few articles planned over the coming months related to ‘hearing’ WILD techniques instead of ‘feeling’ and ‘seeing’ so stay tuned. They actually work very well, so there is definitely something in using your ears.

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